Here’s a video a propos of the use of straw men in movie plots:
To be precise, I think they’re hollow men, as no one would act this way.
Here’s a video a propos of the use of straw men in movie plots:
To be precise, I think they’re hollow men, as no one would act this way.
Godwin’s Law is, roughly, that as a political discussion proceeds, the likelihood of an analogy to Hitler increases.Â Long discussions have it as a relative certainty that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Mussolini references will not only happen but perhaps multiply. (We’ve done a number of bits on Godwining here at the NS.Â I’ve tried a reconstruction of the argument form here.)
Enter our favorite Orange Furher-analogue and the variety of ways folks have made the argument.Â There’s the nationalism, the militarism, the authoritarian style, threatening the free press, the racism.Â And there’s the fact that even his supporters holler out ‘Heil Trump.’Â Â So much to work with!
It’s worth paying attention to a small difference in argument criticism here — you can criticize an argument against some claim or individual without really defending the claim or person.Â That is, you don’t have to be a Trump sympathizer to think that some analogies between him and Hitler are off base.Â You’ve just got to think that this analogy isn’t quite right.Â (See John’s older post about how to evade in these lights.)
David Harsanyi at NRO has a bit of argument criticism with the wide phenomenon Godwining/Ad Hitlering with our Great Orange Leader.Â Â He has one line of argument that there are bad consequences to the overuse of Ad Hitlerum:
Comparing everything to 1933 is now a big part of our national discourse, not only that of angry partisans but also that of people who should know better than to habitually make these correlations. This isnâ€™t Mel Brooksâ€™s Springtime for Hitler. Whether youâ€™re a fan or a detractor of Trump, these gross false equivalencies belittle the memory of millions who died in unimaginably horrifying ways. Moreover, exaggeration and historical illiteracy undermine the very cause these people claim to care about, unless that cause is desensitizing people to the terror of the Holocaust.
Well, we have to note that the argument here depends on the analogies being false.Â So the main line of argument, then, depends on the case that there are relevant dissimiliarities between Trump and Hitler.Â Here’s how Harsanyi breaks the analogies when they come to deportation:
[E]ven if the authorities . . . were to start deporting illegal immigrants, not one of those unfortunate people would ever be sent to anything resembling the ovens of Treblinka and Auschwitz. Not their children. Not anyone else in this country. Most often, in fact, deported illegal immigrants, who have broken the law, are going back to their home in Mexico, where they can often apply for legal entry into the United States.
We saw yesterday (post here), that Mika BrzezinskiÂ , cohost of Morning Joe,Â said that it’s the media’s jobÂ â€œactually control exactly what people think.â€ She obviously didn’t mean that, some people jumped on it anyway. Here’s another example of lapsus profiteeringÂ (I’ll find a better name).
Today let’s think for a second about the phrase “telling people what to think” and its cognates. I bring this up because sometime today at CPAC, Betsy DeVos, the new Secretary of Education, filed, for the nth time, the complaint that universities “tell people what to think.” Â From the Chronicle of Higher Education:
â€œThe faculty, from adjunct professors to deans, tell you what to do, what to say, and more ominously, what to think. They say that if you voted for Donald Trump, youâ€™re a threat to the university community,â€ read the remarks. â€œBut the real threat is silencing the First Amendment rights of people with whom you disagree.â€
Teaching is pretty challenging. You have to deal, in the first place, with people who are not your epistemic peers. This means they know less than you do. As a result you seem pretty pedantic much of the time and pretty much anything you do with them in class will involveÂ telling them what to think. For instance: don’tÂ generalize from marginal cases;Â don’t straw man people you’re arguing with; and don’t base your argument on vague and equivocal terminology, like “think” (in the above case).Â Now naturally I’ll giveÂ reasons for their thinking this.Â But I’m still telling them what to think. That charge is inescapable because, and I’m telling you what to think again,Â vacuous.
Yes, of course she means to dust off the old one about “indoctrination” and the like. Well, while we’re lazily advancing tropes, here’s one of my own. I’ve tried and tried to indoctrinate my students into not using the passive voice –yet it still gets used! How successful will I be in getting them to accept the subtleties of my modified version of Rawls’ theory of justice?
Many liberals and conservatives alike, with considerable reason, denounced Donald Trump as a policy ignoramus and mocked his simplistic, rambling statements on immigration, social issues, government regulation, and foreign policy. What they missed, however, was Trumpâ€™s compelling connection to the cultural values â€” those fears, yearnings, and visions â€” of vast swathes of the American voting public.
Their manly image, as much as their words, promised to allay deep-seated anxieties about masculine effectiveness in the modern world.
Each moved center stage as an assertive masculine figure who appealed to mainstream Americans yearning for leadership by such a man. Their manly image, as much as their words, promised to allay deep-seated anxieties about masculine effectiveness in the modern world.
A longstanding way to think of straw man argumentation is to misinterpret or misrepresent what people said or what their arguments were.Â That’s a version of the representational straw man. John and I have also identified the selectional version of the straw man, or the weak man.Â That’s a case of finding a member of the opposition that has a badly stated version of the view or a poorly constructed version of their argument and go after that.
There’s nothing wrong with criticizing a bad argument, but what gets communicated with it is that you, in investing time and energy in replying to that bad argument, you’re not spending time on the better ones.Â That would be bad use of your time, so if you’re doing the work of criticizing the bad arguments, they must be as good as they get.
Another weak man instance is that you take imperfectly phrased versions of an opponent’s posiiton and interpret them mercilously.Â When we’re speaking off the cuff, extemporaneously, we may not say everything just right.Â And so we, except when in full-attack mode, give each other some slack.Â That’s a difference between spoken and written communication.Â And to interpret your interlocutor in the worst lights when they are speaking informally (and so, imprecisely) is a kind of selectional straw man.
Well, so here’s what happened. Mika Brzezinski said onÂ Morning JoeÂ today that the media’s “job” is to “actually control exactly what people think.”Â Here’s the clip:
Now, the context is that Brzezinski’s line is a contrastive — that Trump is trying to control what people think by pushing out the media.Â By “speaking directly to the people,” as we’d seen in a previous post.
So conservative media has gone straight up bonkers about the line.Â Tyler Durden says she’s “let slip the awesome unspoken truth” about what the media thinks they should be doing.Â The folks at Breitbart have made it a front page story, with the implication that the imperfect wording is really a Freudian slip.
Real Clear Politics has a follow-up to it, and Brzezinski has gone into Twitter cleanup mode
Today I said it's the media's job to keep President Trump from making up his own facts, NOT that it's our job to control what people think.
— Mika Brzezinski (@morningmika) February 22, 2017
It’s pretty clear that when folks have what Walton calls “dark side interpretation” already cued, they’ll take something like this as evidence of letting a mask slip instead of a poorly phrased bit of intellectual pushback.Â So this makes it an interesting case of a mix between selectional and representational straw man — it’s selectional, since they go after what she’s said, but it’s representational, since we need an interpretive attitude to take this as seriously a representation of her sincere position.
So, in a way, a lesson about straw manning.Â If your picture of the opposition, after interpretation, fits the worst kind of picture you may have of them, you may be a straw-manner.
Jack Shafer’s “How Trump Can Learn to Love Leaking” over at Politico has a few nice insights about the love-hate relationship many administrations have had for leaks, and he, I think rightly, observes that:
[T]here is no leak crisis, only a leak panic. . . . As leaks go, the ones currently tormenting the Trump administration are pedestrian, merely embarrassing the president rather than rupturing national security.
From this reasonable observation, Shafer makes, what seems to me, an unreasonable inference:
Trump, of course, might reject the status quo and order Attorney General Jeff Sessions to mount a hammer and tongs foray against the press and leakers, as Washington Post columnist Margaret Sullivan recently warned. But there is scant precedent for such a crackdown, and for good reason. To chase down journalists, Trump and Sessions would have to weaken the Department of Justice guidelines that protect reporters from such investigations. Would the political costs of trashing the guidelines and stalking the leakers be worth it, especially in cases where no vital secrets have been revealed?
As I see it, Shafer’s inference runs something like:
The leaks are mostly costly cosmetically for the administration, and prosecuting them would be politically costly.Â Moreover, few Presidents have pursued many leaks.Â Therefore, it’s unlikely that Trump will pursue the leaks.
Â But the problem is that, as with all probabilistic reasoning, if we add evidence that we are dealing with an outlier case, then the inductive reasons are defeated.Â And there are good reasons to say that Trump’s case is an outlier here.Â Recall that he’s fiercely retributive for those who break his trust.Â Moreover, that X is the way that folks in Washington have done things is not a reason that seems to hold much force with the Trump administration.
This is, I think, a good example of why the ad populum forms of arguments from precedence (and from all the motives that make up that precedence) are all inductive, and so non-monotonic forms of inference.Â They can be just fine so long as we think the cases we are applying them to are not relevantly different from what had come before, but if we add the new information in, then that inference gets defeated.Â And I think that most of arguments from precedence are suspended when we talk about the orange one.
OftenÂ dialogical public argument consists in the search for closers, Archimedean points from which to eject others and their views from consideration. As a pragmatic and rhetorical matter, this doesn’t usually work (or at least it doesn’t work on the target). The accusation of “racism” is quickly countered, for instance, with “the real racist,” and so on for the others (sexist, etc.).
There does, however seem to be one (for today, at least) that you cannot counter: Â advocate of pedophilia.
Enter infamous troll and white nationalist Â Milo Yiannopoulos, who was recently discovered to have advocated relationships between older men and boys as young as 13:
â€œIn the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men â€” the sort of â€˜coming of ageâ€™ relationship â€” those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they canâ€™t speak to their parents,â€ he added.
This cost him his book contract and got him disinvited from CPAC (some of whose stars advocated genocide).
It’s nice, perhaps, to know there is a line somewhere with people.
I don’t mean to be flip here, with all of the other lines this guy crossed, why was it this one that finally made him unacceptable? Is it because we’re talking about children?
The Friday presser (NYT’s transcript here) was too much to let get by with just one post on it.Â Trump had been railing that the leaks about Russia ties with General Flynn were “Fake news.”Â He was then asked the question:
And on the leaks, is it fake news or are these real leaks?
His reply was interesting.
Well the leaks are real. Youâ€™re the one that wrote about them and reported them, I mean the leaks are real. You know what they said, you saw it and the leaks are absolutely real. The news is fake because so much of the news is fake. So one thing that I felt it was very important to do â€” and I hope we can correct it. Because thereâ€™s nobody I have more respect for â€” well, maybe a little bit but the reporters, good reporters.
First, it’s not much of a clarification.Â But that’s not theÂ point here.Â My point is about Trump’s argument for why the news is fake.Â From what we have here, it looks blatantly circular.Â Or, perhaps, it’s a weaker induction.Â Perhaps it’s something of this form of inductive inference:
So much news is fake
Therefore, it’s reasonable to take this news as fake.
That’s not a form of circular reasoning, but it certainly has a greater burden of proof on it.Â Showing that X is fake news requires only refuting X, but showing that there is so much fake news requires a lot more — you need to refute X, Y, Z and so on.Â Here’s what was Trump’s case for the premise:
Itâ€™s very important. I donâ€™t mind bad stories. I can handle a bad story better than anybody as long as itâ€™s true and, you know, over a course of time, Iâ€™ll make mistakes and youâ€™ll write badly and Iâ€™m OK with that. But Iâ€™m not OK when it is fake. I mean, I watch CNN, itâ€™s so much anger and hatred and just the hatred.
So in this case, the argument that so much news is fake is dependent on his sample from CNN and how angry they are with him.Â That may mean it’s less a news show and more an opinion piece or a panel discussion, but how is that a case that it’s fake news?
A short note on what argumentative burdens one takes on when charging an other with an error.Â A point about dialectical points in argument.Â We are reasoning about how we are reasoning together, and in these cases, the argumentative burdens, when charging another with an error, is to demonstrate to them in manners they can see what the error is.Â Failing to do that fails a dialectical burden in argument.Â But here, I think, Trump’s not interested in whether his argument moves media-types or academic professors, he’s interested in taking this message “to the American people”.Â The point, then, is that he’s playing to an onlooking audience with these arguments — he doesn’t take it that he really needs to fix the premise that so much of the news is fake… that premise has been established by the right wingers for ages.Â Trump’s just reaping what’s been sown by the culture of aggression toward the media.
Lordy, what a presser yesterday! There was a lot for us to work on, but Trump gave an interesting answer to a challenge.
First, the challenge.Â In the opening remarks and in the Q&A, Trump swung back to talking about the election.Â He said his 306 electoral votes to Clintonâ€™s 232 was the largest win since Ronald Reaganâ€™s in 1984. However, Obama won more electoral votes in 2008 and 2012, Bill Clinton won more in 1992 and 1996 and George H.W. Bush won more in 1988.Â So much for historic — at least he beat W’s 2000.Â To this, Peter Alexander of NBC, after having corrected Trump on this, asked him:
Why should Americans trust you?
Trump’s replies were, from what I can gather from the audio:
I was given that information… I donâ€™t know. I was just given it. We had a very, very big margin.
I was given that information…Â Actually, Iâ€™ve seen that information around. But it was a very substantial victory. Do you agree with that?
To the last bit, Alexander replies,
Well, you’re the President.
The last is interesting, if only because it’s an elision of instituional authority with cognitive authority.Â But the more interesting feature is that Trump’s best reply to being caught out on a falsehood is (a) to say he’s just reading what’s written for him, and (b) to say he’d heard it before.Â Of course, neither is a reply to the question of whether he’s reliable.
That he reads what’s written for him is not a relevant reply, since the question could be then put to: why should we trust the things you read?Â To the latter, the issue isn’t whether he’s heard it before (there are many untrustworthy rumors and things people say), but whether they are credible.
I think these must be something like weak ad populum arguments, to the effect:
It’s been said/written that p
The bridge principle, like with ad populum arguments, must be something along the lines If people are saying it, that’s reason to believe it’s true.
The problem with all ad populum arguments is that they are very weak inductions.Â Moreover, if you don’t know who said it, then they aren’t really even cases of believing on the basis of testimony — it’s just that you’d heard it.Â Generally, on-record testimony is better evidence, at least because people can be held responsible for their assertions.
Arguments from hypocrisy can legitimately target a number of features of a speaker’s case.Â They may show that a proposal is really impractical, or they may show that things are more complicated than the speaker’s pronouncements make it seem.Â Or they, in ad hominem fashion, may show that the speaker lacks the ethotic standing (has a moral right) to lecture us about X, Y, or Z.Â But they usually are irrelevant — that’s why they have a name for the fallacy, the tu quoque.
One, I think uncontroversial, constraint on these (even fallacious) versions of arguments from inconsistency/hypocrisy is that the two events must be actually inconsistent.Â Otherwise, no hypocrisy.Â Surely, an argument from hypocrisy needs for there to be hypocrisy, first.
Enter Jerome Hudson over at Breitbart with his clearly newsworthy report on Matt Damon’s apparent hypocrisy:
Â “Great Wall” Star: “I’m not a fan of walls”
So, how is this news? Moreover, I don’t see the hypocrisy.Â The Matt Damon movie is about a wall keeping out lizard monsters and what look like sword-wielding dragons.Â The Trump wall isn’t designed for that purpose, no matter how racist you are.