{"id":553,"date":"2008-02-02T11:21:52","date_gmt":"2008-02-02T15:21:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/?p=553"},"modified":"2008-02-02T18:11:47","modified_gmt":"2008-02-02T22:11:47","slug":"im-only-saying-this-because","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/?p=553","title":{"rendered":"I&#8217;m only saying this because"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Today I want to steal from the Daily Howler, Bob Somerby, because yet again he demonstrates the critical acumen of ten male persons.&nbsp; He <a href=\"http:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/wp-admin\/MADDOW%20MIND-READS%20MOTIVE:%20Quick%20disclaimer:%20We%20have%20an%20extremely%20low%20opinion%20of%20MSNBC%E2%80%99s%20Rachel%20Maddow,%20a%20%E2%80%9Cprogressive%20woman%E2%80%9D%20who%20was%20willing%20to%20pander%20to%20Chris%20Matthews%20to%20land%20a%20key%20media%20spot.%20Disclaimer%20offered,%20let%20us%20say%20this:%20Appearing%20on%20Olbermann%E2%80%99s%20post-debate%20show,%20Maddow%20gave%20us%20an%20excellent%20look%20at%20the%20role%20of%20%E2%80%9Cmotive%20journalism.%E2%80%9D\">writes<\/a>: <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p> <strong>MADDOW MIND-READS MOTIVE: <\/strong>Quick disclaimer: We have an extremely low opinion of MSNBC&rsquo;s Rachel Maddow, a &ldquo;progressive woman&rdquo; who was willing to pander to Chris Matthews to land a key media spot. Disclaimer offered, let us say this: Appearing on Olbermann&rsquo;s post-debate show, Maddow gave us an excellent look at the role of &ldquo;motive journalism.&rdquo; <\/p>\n<p> Simply put: <strong>Pundits typically attribute &ldquo;motive&rdquo; to candidates whom they disfavor.<\/strong> [emphasis nonseq.] <\/p>\n<p> At issue was Obama and Clinton&rsquo;s discussion of the way illegal immigration affects working-class wages, specifically for African-Americans. (This issue was specifically raised by a question. Sorry: Transcripts aren&rsquo;t available yet.) To simplify things a bit (but not much), Obama said that illegal immigrants don&rsquo;t harm working-class blacks all that much. Clinton said she disagreed, and she said that all such groups will gain from comprehensive reform. <\/p>\n<p> Why did the solons state these views? Let&rsquo;s start with an obvious possibility; it may be that they stated these views <em><strong>because they actually believe them<\/strong>.<\/em>&nbsp; [bolded emphasis nonseq.] (As far as we know, academic research is a mixed bag on such questions.) But when Maddow was asked to share <em>her <\/em>views, she quickly began to trash Clinton&rsquo;s motives, using extremely unpleasant code language. Clinton had been deliberately &ldquo;driving a wedge,&rdquo; she informed us, over and over. That&rsquo;s right, Rachel&mdash;and Chris Matthews may well be the most brilliant man in the world.<\/p>\n<p> Let&rsquo;s understand how this works. <\/p>\n<p><strong> A mind-reader could have attributed &ldquo;motive&rdquo; to either Clinton or Obama. You could say that Obama was kissing up to Hispanic voters, for example, or that Clinton was courting African-Americans. But in the world of people like Maddow, &ldquo;motive&rdquo; is typically dumped on the head on the candidate who is disfavored. In saying that Clinton was driving a &ldquo;wedge,&rdquo; Maddow engaged in some ugly race-baiting&mdash;and she said that <em>Clinton <\/em>had a motive for her remarks. Obama&rsquo;s &ldquo;motives&rdquo; were never considered, as was completely appropriate.<\/strong> [bold nonseq].<\/p>\n<p> By the way: It&rsquo;s widely held that Clinton needs major support from Hispanic voters next Tuesday. Why would she want to &ldquo;drive a wedge&rdquo; in a way which might <em>offend <\/em>these voters? To us, Maddow&rsquo;s &ldquo;analysis&rdquo; didn&rsquo;t even make sense. But so what? Typically, pundits like Maddow will mind-read and trash the &ldquo;motives&rdquo; of those they disfavor.<\/p>\n<p> Sometimes a disagreement is just a disagreement. In assessing a disagreement like this, decent people will typically start with the thought that candidates may <em>simply believe what they&rsquo;ve said.<\/em> But Rachel Maddow adores Chris Matthews&mdash;and she repeatedly, nastily said that Clinton was driving a wedge. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Two things.&nbsp; First, this is what makes so much political reporting absolutely unreadable or unwatchable.&nbsp; Candidates say things, they make arguments, stake out positions, and so forth, and between them and us stands a group of specialized interpreters who tell us what the candidates trying to say, or how people will take what they&#39;re trying to say, or, what is worse, why they&#39;re saying it.&nbsp; The most basic question&#8211;whether what the candidate says is true or plausible or possible or sensible is a completely different question. &nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Second, I think Somerby is on to something when he says we ascribe motive to people we disagree with&#8211;although I think pundits of the Chris Matthews variety ascribe it to everyone&#8211;that&#39;s their job, such as they think it is.&nbsp; But Somerby&#39;s more basic point is that people who agree with you have reasons for their positions&#8211;they agree with you because you&#39;re right.&nbsp; All of your beliefs are true, of course, as are all of mine.&nbsp; But people who disagree with you fall into another category&#8211;the explanatory category.&nbsp; This is different from the justificatory category into which you fall.&nbsp; People who have false beliefs&#8211;obviously false ones because they&#39;re not like yours&#8211;should be accounted for and explained.&nbsp; They believe those things because they &quot;want to drive a wedge&quot; or &quot;want to appear&quot; or &quot;because they were raised that way&quot; or &quot;because of their experiences.&quot;&nbsp; Try doing the opposite&#8211;give justifications for views you don&#39;t agree with and explanations for those beliefs you hold.<\/p>\n<p>I only give this advice because I&#39;m a logic teacher. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today I want to steal from the Daily Howler, Bob Somerby, because yet again he demonstrates the critical acumen of ten male persons.&nbsp; He writes: MADDOW MIND-READS MOTIVE: Quick disclaimer: We have an extremely low opinion of MSNBC&rsquo;s Rachel Maddow, a &ldquo;progressive woman&rdquo; who was willing to pander to Chris Matthews to land a key &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/?p=553\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">I&#8217;m only saying this because<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[36,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-553","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-circumstantial","category-politicians"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/553","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=553"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/553\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=553"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=553"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=553"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}