{"id":2977,"date":"2011-06-19T07:05:54","date_gmt":"2011-06-19T12:05:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/?p=2977"},"modified":"2011-06-21T06:42:37","modified_gmt":"2011-06-21T11:42:37","slug":"meat-stoking-plenty-of-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/?p=2977","title":{"rendered":"Meat stoking, plenty of it"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#39;ve been thinking of the reverse straw man for a bit now.&nbsp; Following the suggestions of some friends and commenters at the Mid South, one variation of the too charitable straw man we might call the &quot;iron man.&quot;&nbsp; This is when someone&#39;s weak argument&#8211;or some weak arguer&#8211;is made stronger by irrelevant and inappropriate charity.&nbsp; Too often this inappropriate charity comes from people who ought to know better.&nbsp;&nbsp;And trolls depend on troll enablers.<\/p>\n<p>The Onion, of all places, seems to get this.&nbsp; Here&#39;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theonion.com\/articles\/michele-bachmann-announces-bid-to-be-discussed-mor,20732\/\">their take on Michelle Bachmann<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Michele Bachmann Announces Bid To Be Discussed More Than She Deserves In 2012<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>That pretty much sums it up.&nbsp; Bachmann makes Bush look like Aristotle.&nbsp; Not iron-manning every incoherent utterance.&nbsp; I heard <a href=\"http:\/\/www.npr.org\/2011\/06\/18\/137265773\/gop-splits-up-for-weekend-conferences\">this yesterday on NPR<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>ELLIOTT: I think the reception that Minnesota Congresswoman, Michele Bachmann, got here. <strong>She was really the star of the day<\/strong>. The crowd even sort of mobbed the stage when she finished her speech. And she really gave this conservative crowd just what they were looking for: plenty of<strong> meat stoking <\/strong>the anti-President Obama fervor that was rumbling through the crowd.<\/p>\n<p><strong>She attacked the president&#39;s health care overhaul. She attacked his energy policy, as well as his handling of the economy<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Representative MICHELE BACHMANN (Republican, Minnesota): We know what works. It&#39;s cutting spending. It&#39;s growing the economy. It&#39;s doing what free markets do, and what economic superpowers do. And Mr. President, you&#39;re no economic superpower.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I think it&#39;s a stretch to call this an &quot;attack&quot; on the President&#39;s handling of the economy.&nbsp; Maybe it would be more appropriate to say that she said words which on the most charitble interpretation were probably meant as criticism of Obama on the economy.&nbsp; Anything more would be iron-manning.&nbsp; The sample clip doesn&#39;t begin to make sense&#8211;it begs the question (it&#39;s growing the economy!), ignores basic economics (cutting spending!), and it equivocates on &quot;economic superpower&quot; (in the first it&#39;s a property of nations, then it&#39;s denied of Barack Obama).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#39;ve been thinking of the reverse straw man for a bit now.&nbsp; Following the suggestions of some friends and commenters at the Mid South, one variation of the too charitable straw man we might call the &quot;iron man.&quot;&nbsp; This is when someone&#39;s weak argument&#8211;or some weak arguer&#8211;is made stronger by irrelevant and inappropriate charity.&nbsp; Too &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/?p=2977\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Meat stoking, plenty of it<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1126,1013,1127,1110],"class_list":["post-2977","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general","tag-iron-man-fallacy","tag-michelle-bachmann","tag-straw-man-fallacy","tag-the-onion"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2977","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2977"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2977\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2979,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2977\/revisions\/2979"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2977"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2977"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thenonsequitur.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2977"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}