<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Flopper</title>
	<atom:link href="http://thenonsequitur.com/?feed=rss2&#038;p=3990" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://thenonsequitur.com/?p=3990</link>
	<description>Your argument is invalid</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:57:30 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scott Aikin</title>
		<link>http://thenonsequitur.com/?p=3990&#038;cpage=1#comment-129141</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Aikin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thenonsequitur.com/?p=3990#comment-129141</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Seconded.  &quot;Crying Scarecrow.&quot;  Awesome, Battacchio!  I think there&#039;s a future in meta-fallacies!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconded.  &#8220;Crying Scarecrow.&#8221;  Awesome, Battacchio!  I think there&#8217;s a future in meta-fallacies!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Casey</title>
		<link>http://thenonsequitur.com/?p=3990&#038;cpage=1#comment-129128</link>
		<dc:creator>John Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thenonsequitur.com/?p=3990#comment-129128</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi Batocchio,

Thanks for the comment--&quot;Crying scarecrow&quot; is perfect, I think.  Flopping works by analogy.  As to the other part of your comment, I think you also raise an interesting point about straw manning.  Perhaps it is a natural tendency for the holder of a losing position (any position) to cry scarecrow, as a defeated position can never be her position--her position is smart and made sense to them.  So if you show for instance that it&#039;s mathematically impossible that the 47 percent of Romney fame not include people living on justly earned (though paltry) Social Security (as well as others), you will claim that you did not mean them, because that sounds bad.  This is pretty much what Ryan is doing.  In this environment, however, critical engagement will never work.  One will wonder why she should bother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Batocchio,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment&#8211;&#8221;Crying scarecrow&#8221; is perfect, I think.  Flopping works by analogy.  As to the other part of your comment, I think you also raise an interesting point about straw manning.  Perhaps it is a natural tendency for the holder of a losing position (any position) to cry scarecrow, as a defeated position can never be her position&#8211;her position is smart and made sense to them.  So if you show for instance that it&#8217;s mathematically impossible that the 47 percent of Romney fame not include people living on justly earned (though paltry) Social Security (as well as others), you will claim that you did not mean them, because that sounds bad.  This is pretty much what Ryan is doing.  In this environment, however, critical engagement will never work.  One will wonder why she should bother.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
		<link>http://thenonsequitur.com/?p=3990&#038;cpage=1#comment-129072</link>
		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 04:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thenonsequitur.com/?p=3990#comment-129072</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen this several times recently, a preemptive, fallacious accusation of a straw man.  Michael Gerson tried the same tactic with Obama&#039;s inauguration speech.  In another case (on Facebook), the accuser had initiated the &quot;debate&quot; with one of those political meme pics; it offered a false analogy on gun control (arguably a straw man, and mildly inflammatory), and had one of his points rebutted with an on-target reductio ad absurdum, which he then incorrectly labeled a straw man.  He was wrong (and the whole thing was ironic), but he was sincere (nice guy with dumb politics).  In Ryan&#039;s case, knowing his track record (and that he&#039;s used this tactic before), I&#039;d say bad faith is in play.  

I agree there should be a term, but I&#039;m hard-pressed to think of a catchy one.  &quot;Flopping&quot; probably works.  I&#039;m not sure &quot;Crying Scarecrow&quot; (crying wolf/straw man) rolls off the tongue, and you may need a general term for any incorrect accusation of fallacy.  I&#039;ve used &quot;Rove Reversal&quot; for &quot;accusing your opponent of what you&#039;re guilty of,&quot;  but I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s ideal here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this several times recently, a preemptive, fallacious accusation of a straw man.  Michael Gerson tried the same tactic with Obama&#8217;s inauguration speech.  In another case (on Facebook), the accuser had initiated the &#8220;debate&#8221; with one of those political meme pics; it offered a false analogy on gun control (arguably a straw man, and mildly inflammatory), and had one of his points rebutted with an on-target reductio ad absurdum, which he then incorrectly labeled a straw man.  He was wrong (and the whole thing was ironic), but he was sincere (nice guy with dumb politics).  In Ryan&#8217;s case, knowing his track record (and that he&#8217;s used this tactic before), I&#8217;d say bad faith is in play.  </p>
<p>I agree there should be a term, but I&#8217;m hard-pressed to think of a catchy one.  &#8220;Flopping&#8221; probably works.  I&#8217;m not sure &#8220;Crying Scarecrow&#8221; (crying wolf/straw man) rolls off the tongue, and you may need a general term for any incorrect accusation of fallacy.  I&#8217;ve used &#8220;Rove Reversal&#8221; for &#8220;accusing your opponent of what you&#8217;re guilty of,&#8221;  but I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s ideal here.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
